he admits that he has to consider selling by kerry or spinning off some union -- selling a blackberry or spinning off some units. >> running a public company, anything to help our shoulders i have to take a serious look at -- to help our shareholders i have to take a serious look at. today we need to build up that base. the point is, i think the is tied to our best, and a price book is, that is going to be huge -- enterprise focus, that is going to be huge but until we get to the point where we showcase that potential, it is too early to think about getting to $19 billion. telecomt to bring in a analyst at bloomberg industries but also with us, our guest host for the hour, greg rayburn, also worked in telecom as the chief restructuring officer for world, during its own -- for worldcom during its own bankruptcy. you have been closely following what john chen is doing. he did a great job with turnaround on another company. you see those same elements at blackberry? >> i really do, betty. one thing i love about john chen is that he has that rare talent of really looking below the hood to